W&B gegen den Rest

[Iltis]

Alle älteren englischen Messer sind Mist, rostig und taugen nix.

Ausserdem kriegt man davon Skorbut!!

[Tim Buktu]

Rost ist übrigens ansteckend!

[russki]

Ich werde Euch die alten englischen Messer schon nicht alle wegkaufen. Nur keine Angst. 

[Sicknote]

Das hat fynn auch mal behauptet. 

[russki]

will nur noch ein oder 2 derbe die größer sind als 6/8. wenn ich dann sicher weis dass mir das echt besser leigt, möchte ich von Koorat eins machen lassen.

[Kirk]

will nur noch ein oder 2 derbe die größer sind als 6/8. wenn ich dann sicher weis dass mir das echt besser leigt, möchte ich von Koorat eins machen lassen.

Die Einstellung klingt vernünftig. Möge Dir die Übung auch gelingen!

[strawinski]

irgendwo habe ich mal gelesen, das es nur wenige Originale Messerhersteller in Sheffield gab und der Rest mehr ein Abklatsch mit geringer Qualität war. Obsstimmt weiß ich net...war glaube ich bei botlummus

[Fynn1177]

Ich weiß nur das Greaves der erste Rasiermesserhersteller in Sheffield gewesen ist.
Es werden mit Sicherheit auch damals schon billige oder minderwertigere Kopien auf dem Markt gewesen sein

[Iltis]

Ich weiß nur das Greaves der erste Rasiermesserhersteller in Sheffield gewesen ist.

Woher weisst du das, Fynn?

Gruß
Iltis

[Fynn1177]

Hatte Proffessor Chaos bei SRP oder B&B geschrieben mit Literaturhinweis.
Kann mal schauen ob ich das wiederfinde.

[Iltis]

Das wäre nett

[Fynn1177]

Habe nur das iPhone dabei, etwas Info kann ich beisteuern
Also widrufe ich meine Aussage.
Gab bestimmt schon Sheffielder vor 1775
Mal schauen ob ich das von Professor Chaos morgen noch finde

Kennt jemand einer Hersteller vor 1775?

William Greaves & Sons

When the Greaves family built Sheaf Works in 1823, it was the first sign that great changes were underway in the Sheffield cutlery trade. The main block of Sheaf Works (still standing in Maltravers Street near the Wicker) was the centrepiece of the first large-scale factory in the town. Sheffielders had seen nothing like it, when the firm erected a £50,000 building in which 'one grand end was kept in view, namely that of centralizing on the spot all the various processes through which the iron must pass... until fashioned into razor, penknife or other article of use' (Hunter, 1875). Contemporary accounts described how the firm converted and melted steel at one end of the factory; at the other, tools and knives were dispatched around the world. It was probably not quite as self-contained as these descriptions imply, but there was no doubting the novel size of the factory.
Greaves' had been active since at least the late eighteenth century. Unconfirmed reports state that the business began in Burgess Street in 1775 (where William Greaves, 'cutler', was listed in 1787). According to another source, William Greaves had a 'bit of a trade in Cheney Square' [St Paul's Church], and frequented a public house in Mulberry Street (Sheffield Independent, 25 January 1873). He then relocated to premises in Hollis Croft (later occupied by Joseph Elliot, qv). By 1817, William Greaves had moved to Division Street and had brought his sons – Edward and Richard – into the business. By the early 1820s, Edward and Richard had become the driving force in the foundation of Sheaf Works. Richard is credited by Joseph Hunter (1875) as the key architect of the scheme.

Greaves's main market was the USA. By 1849, William Greaves & Sons was listed as 'American merchants', selling table knives, razors, files, edge tools, railway springs, and steel. Besides large quantities of table cutlery, the company made many Bowie knives. The firm had a New York office in Pearl Street, Manhattan. America made William Greaves possibly the wealthiest manufacturer in Sheffield at that time. When he died on 13 May 1830, aged 78, he apparently left his daughters £30,000 each.

Richard and Edward Greaves inherited the concern and recruited new directors. These included Thomas Blake (qv), who had married a daughter of William Greaves; John Fawcett (d. 8 January 1848, aged 52); and John Bower Brown. The latter had been born in about 1801 and had served his apprenticeship at the company. Brown later married Mary Ann, the youngest daughter of William Greaves. He was also related to John Fawcett and William Fawcett, a partner in James Dixon (qv). Richard Greaves died at Shire House on 26 April 1835. When Edward Greaves died on 6 October 1846, aged 68 (and was buried in Ecclesall), the Greaves's interest in the company ended. John Bower Brown then became head of the firm. Additional partners in the 1840s included Wilford Mettam (d. 6 June 1851, aged 38), Benjamin James Eyre (qv), and William Taylor (d. 22 June 1862, aged 54).

In 1850, John B. Brown retired and took up law. He lived at Woodthorpe Hall, near Richmond, and died in Southport on 21 August 1876, aged 75. He left £60,000. In 1850, William Greaves & Sons was dissolved, the stock and machinery auctioned, and the remaining partners went their separate ways. B. J. Eyre launched his own company, using part of Sheaf Works. The steel and tool side of Sheaf Works was taken over by Thomas Turton & Sons, which thereafter owned and used the Greaves & Sons' mark. Turton's was later bought by Frederick T. Mappin (qv). By the 1990s, the main block of Sheaf Works had become derelict; by 2007 it had been refurbished as Sheaf Quay – a pub complex...